{"id":49527,"date":"2023-08-18T16:09:13","date_gmt":"2023-08-18T14:09:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/?p=49527"},"modified":"2023-08-18T16:09:18","modified_gmt":"2023-08-18T14:09:18","slug":"krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/","title":{"rendered":"Krishnamurti\u2019s View of the World\u2019s Primordial Ground"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><strong>Anthroposophists have always heard that the Indian philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti (1895\u20131986) was not the incarnation of the Maitreya Bodhisattva of the twentieth century foretold by Rudolf Steiner, the future Buddha, because Steiner dismissed Krishnamurti as such. Was it otherwise?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>There are many candidates for Maitreya, but there has never been a clear-cut choice.<span id='easy-footnote-1-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-1-49527' title='See &lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/anthrowiki.at\/Maitreya&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Anthrowiki&lt;\/a&gt;. Section \u201cDie Bodhisattva-Frage innerhalb der Anthroposophischen Gesellschaft\u201d. Anthrowiki Online Dictionary. Retrieved September 2, 2022.'><sup>1<\/sup><\/a><\/span> It was Rudolf Steiner himself who emphasized that &#8220;the teacher&#8217;s authority and the faith in him should play no different a role than is the case in any other field of knowledge and life.&#8221; (CW 10; see also CW 130) So, as diligent students, let us begin by taking the liberty to ask: provided Rudolf Steiner&#8217;s account of Maitreya is not a chimera,<span id='easy-footnote-2-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-2-49527' title='Rudolf Steiner himself might have been uncertain at times whether the incarnation of Maitreya would really take place in the twentieth century. In any case, he spoke about it partly in the subjunctive. CW 123.'><sup>2<\/sup><\/a><\/span> what can be discerned of Jiddu Krishnamurti from an anthroposophical point of view? Let us turn to basic facts:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Rudolf Steiner rejected the claim that a certain Hindu boy (Jiddu Krishnamurti) was the returning Christ (CW 28).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>According to Steiner, the Maitreya Bodhisattva in the twentieth century would consider it his most important task to point (CW 118, CW 123) to the etheric Christ (CW 130, CW 130).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>So the question is not whether Krishnamurti, who is credited with a spiritual awakening exactly 100 years ago, was Christ. It is about a basic anthroposophical question: who was Maitreya in the twentieth century? Annie Besant proclaimed Krishnamurti as a partial incarnation of the latter&#8217;s consciousness.<span id='easy-footnote-3-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-3-49527' title='Pupul Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti &lt;\/em&gt;(Freiburg, 2003).'><sup>3<\/sup><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Life in Higher Worlds<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>In fact, Krishnamurti repeatedly warned against visions of supposed religious figures, and of Christ as illusions, and radically dismissed them.<span id='easy-footnote-4-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-4-49527' title='See e.g. &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/legacy.jkrishnamurti.org\/krishnamurti-teachings\/view-text.php?tid=19&amp;amp;chid=68566&amp;amp;w=&amp;amp;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Jiddu Krishnamurti, \u201cYou Are The World\u201d&lt;\/a&gt;, Chap. 7, 6 February 1969, 4th Public Talk, University of California Berkeley. In: J Krishnamurti Online, retrieved 15 August 2022.'><sup>4<\/sup><\/a><\/span> That he nevertheless counted on the clairvoyance of his audience with his teachings, seeing it as the result of meditation he taught, is clearly attested: &#8220;And in this process of meditation there are all kinds of powers that come into being. One becomes clairvoyant, the body then becomes extraordinarily sensitive. [\u2026] clairvoyance, healing, thought transference and so on.&#8221;<span id='easy-footnote-5-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-5-49527' title='Jiddu Krishnamurti, \u201cTruth &amp;amp; Actuality\u201d, Chap. 9, 4th Public Talk, Brockwood Park, 1975. In: &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/krishnamurti.net\/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Krishnamurti.Net&lt;\/a&gt;, Website,\u00a0retrieved 16 August 2022.'><sup>5<\/sup><\/a><\/span> But of course this does not yet include a heralding of the etheric Christ, even if in a rare ideal case it might indirectly lead to an encounter with him through clairvoyance. (see CW 118; CW 15)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In addition to visions in his early years,<span id='easy-footnote-6-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-6-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>6<\/sup><\/a><\/span> descriptions of supersensory perceptions, including those in the etheric, are found in Krishnamurti\u2019s work, especially in his later life, in abstract allusions\u2014for example, as \u201cnothing\u201d.<span id='easy-footnote-7-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-7-49527' title='&lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/jkrishnamurti.org\/content\/innermost-nature-self-not-thing&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Jiddu Krishnamurti, \u201cThe innermost nature of the Self is not-a-thing\u201d&lt;\/a&gt;. J Krishnamurti, Website,\u00a0retrieved 2 September 2022).'><sup>7<\/sup><\/a><\/span> This \u201cnothing\u201d is to be understood\u2014just like love\u2014as \u201cnot-a-thing\u201d. It \u201cis not negation\u201d but means &#8220;not put together by [dead] thought&#8221;. According to Krishnamurti, the entire being of nature, and also the I of the human being, is just such a \u201cnot-a-thing\u201d.<span id='easy-footnote-8-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-8-49527' title='Krishnamurti, Ibid.'><sup>8<\/sup><\/a><\/span> Creation itself, however, with its inherent &#8220;death [which holds no fear]&#8221;, becomes at the same time the bearer of &#8220;love&#8221;<span id='easy-footnote-9-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-9-49527' title='Jiddu Krishnamurti, &lt;em&gt;Das Notizbuch&lt;\/em&gt; (Frankfurt am Main 2009); see also Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>9<\/sup><\/a><\/span>\u2014something Krishnamurti had already expressed in his younger years in the deeply felt poetry and prose \u201cFrom Darkness to Light\u201d.<span id='easy-footnote-10-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-10-49527' title='Jiddu Krishnamurti, &lt;em&gt;From Darkness to Light&lt;\/em&gt;, n.p. 1929.'><sup>10<\/sup><\/a><\/span> At that time, he addressed the apparition of an unknown, deeply loved spiritual being who had appeared after difficult life struggles, as \u201cMy Beloved\u201d\u2014a being whom he saw everywhere, in all things, whom he wanted to tell everyone about, and whom he described in the most splendid colours.<span id='easy-footnote-11-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-11-49527' title='&lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/jiddu-krishnamurti.net\/en\/from-darkness-to-light\/1980-00-00-jiddu-krishnamurti-from-darkness-to-light-prose-poems&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Jiddu Krishnamurti, \u201cProse Poems\u2013 Poems III und VII\u201d&lt;\/a&gt;. In: Krishnamurti, &lt;em&gt;From Darkness to Light&lt;\/em&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/jiddu-krishnamurti.net\/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Jiddu-Krishnamurti.Net&lt;\/a&gt;. Website,\u00a0retrieved 2 September 2022.'><sup>11<\/sup><\/a><\/span> This world-encompassing Beloved\u2014Krishnamurti at that time still used words borrowed from theosophical teachings\u2014&#8221;was Krishna, were the Masters [of Wisdom], was the Buddha, and much more than these.&#8221;<span id='easy-footnote-12-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-12-49527' title='Jayakar, see also &lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/jiddu-krishnamurti.net\/en\/1927-1928-1929-early-writings\/krishnamurti-early-writings-16-an-interview-in-london&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Jiddu Krishnamurti, An Interview in London&lt;\/a&gt;. London 1928. Early Writings 1927\u20131928\u20131929. In: &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/krishnamurti.net\/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Jiddu-Krishnamurti.Net&lt;\/a&gt;. Website,\u00a0retrieved August 31, 2021.'><sup>12<\/sup><\/a><\/span> According to Steiner, however, Christ himself is the substance of the wisdom of all Bodhisattvas, including the Buddha (CW 130), and has permeated creation in a new way with his deed and his substantial love since the Mystery of Golgotha. (CW 91)<span id='easy-footnote-13-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-13-49527' title='Quoted from &lt;a href=&quot;\u00a0Christ&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Anthrowiki:\u00a0Christ&lt;\/a&gt;. \u201cDas Ich im Menschen [\u2026]\u201d,\u00a0retrieved September 3, 2022.'><sup>13<\/sup><\/a><\/span> And it is precisely to this that the &#8220;more&#8221;, death, love etc. in the quoted statements and writings of Krishnamurti about higher worlds seem to point, at least distantly, as if unspoken.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/FO_60102-Mark-Edwards-Copyright-Krishnamurti-Foundation-Trust-1968-Das_Goetheanum_Wochenschrift_anthroposophie-707x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-48547\" width=\"354\" height=\"512\" srcset=\"https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/FO_60102-Mark-Edwards-Copyright-Krishnamurti-Foundation-Trust-1968-Das_Goetheanum_Wochenschrift_anthroposophie-707x1024.jpg 707w, https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/FO_60102-Mark-Edwards-Copyright-Krishnamurti-Foundation-Trust-1968-Das_Goetheanum_Wochenschrift_anthroposophie-207x300.jpg 207w, https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/FO_60102-Mark-Edwards-Copyright-Krishnamurti-Foundation-Trust-1968-Das_Goetheanum_Wochenschrift_anthroposophie-770x1115.jpg 770w, https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/FO_60102-Mark-Edwards-Copyright-Krishnamurti-Foundation-Trust-1968-Das_Goetheanum_Wochenschrift_anthroposophie-1060x1536.jpg 1060w, https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/FO_60102-Mark-Edwards-Copyright-Krishnamurti-Foundation-Trust-1968-Das_Goetheanum_Wochenschrift_anthroposophie-1414x2048.jpg 1414w, https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/FO_60102-Mark-Edwards-Copyright-Krishnamurti-Foundation-Trust-1968-Das_Goetheanum_Wochenschrift_anthroposophie.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 354px) 100vw, 354px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Jiddu Krishnamurti photographed in 1968, Photo: Mark Edwards\/ Krishnamurti Foundation Trust<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Spiritual Beloved and the Damascus Experience<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>According to Steiner, the Maitreya of the twentieth century should, above all, teach humanity about the etheric Christ in order to &#8220;make the Damascus experience possible for many&#8221; in the future (CW 118), whereby the infusion of love (CW 133; CW 130) and real concepts (nota bene: not words or names; see CW 04; CW 121) about the &#8220;Christ event&#8221; (CW 130) play a role. This seems to be hinted at in a fragmentary way in Krishnamurti. It includes the exquisite lyrical eulogies to his spiritual Beloved and then his apprehension and teaching of love as something that follows on from death and eternity,<span id='easy-footnote-14-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-14-49527' title='Krishnamurti, &lt;em&gt;Notizbuch&lt;\/em&gt;; Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>14<\/sup><\/a><\/span> which thus does not belong to the conditioning temporality of cause and effect and which is part of his answer to the question of whether there is a God.<span id='easy-footnote-15-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-15-49527' title='&lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=tYjYL448-yY&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Jiddu Krishnamurti:\u201dDoes God exist?\u201d&lt;\/a&gt; J Krishnamurti. Youtube video, min 7.30, retrieved September 2, 2022.'><sup>15<\/sup><\/a><\/span> Similarly, knowledge of the fundamental difference between love on the one hand and unrelated time-bound cause and effect (karma) on the other would, according to Rudolf Steiner, be the mark of a true Christian even if the person concerned had never heard of Christ. (CW 143)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this context, Krishnamurti&#8217;s repeated vivid descriptions, especially in the 1960s, of glorious rainbow-cloud sunsets in whose light the earth is immersed, are particularly worthy of investigation. Not only do they\u2014like an echo of Steiner&#8217;s reference to Christ in the earth&#8217;s aura (e.g. CW 148; see also CW 118)\u2014clearly approximate a description of auras and in one case even appear doubled,<span id='easy-footnote-16-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-16-49527' title='Krishnamurti, &lt;em&gt;Notizbuch&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>16<\/sup><\/a><\/span> but moreover, despite all Krishnamurti&#8217;s other abstractness in spiritual matters, words such as the following should make us sit up and listen: &#8220;And everything was alive with color, and color was God, not the God of human beings. The hills became transparent.&#8221;<span id='easy-footnote-17-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-17-49527' title='Krishnamurti, &lt;em&gt;Notizbuch&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>17<\/sup><\/a><\/span> What is described by Krishnamurti thus consists of:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>\u201cGod\u201d, but not a (possibly abstract) human concept of God,<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>love (in Steiner&#8217;s sense, to be understood as Christian), which is eternal, which is God,<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>life-infused colors (not only) of the clouds in the sunlight at the end of a day,<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>whereby the solid mineral world of the hills becomes translucent, transparent.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>This again recalls an early text by Krishnamurti about his spiritual Beloved: &#8220;The sun was setting \/ As I stood on a hill-top, \/ Watching it disappear Behind the mountains. \/ In the midst of that radiance, \/ Clad in a cloud of yellow, \/ Thou wert seated. \/ The whole vast heaven paused in adoration. \/ The sky, the clouds, \/ In robes of yellow, \/ Were Thy worshippers, Thy disciples [\u2026]\u201d<span id='easy-footnote-18-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-18-49527' title='&lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/pdfroom.com\/books\/from-darkness-to-light\/4zW5npnWgNq&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Jiddu Krishnamurti, &lt;em&gt;The Immortal Friend&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/a&gt;, 1929 n.p. Online edition. In: PDF Room. Website. p. 53,\u00a0retrieved September 5, 2022.'><sup>18<\/sup><\/a><\/span> It is the spiritual Beloved, who is &#8220;much more than Krishna, the Masters, Buddha.&#8221;\u00a0Such a God of deep intimate love, who could previously be addressed as \u201cThou\u201d, who &#8220;comes with the clouds&#8221; in a nature internally perceived, translucent and luminous, sounds somehow\u2014contrary to Krishnamurti&#8217;s rejection of religious visions\u2014like an experience of the Son of Man promised in the Revelation of John (1:7), reminiscent of Christ-love. It sounds, at least to some extent, like a form of the Damascus experience (Acts, 9:3-29) as foretold. (CW 118) Here life and death have a Golgotha-like relevance for Krishnamurti, because: &#8220;Without [\u2026] death [\u2026] there is no creation.&#8221;<span id='easy-footnote-19-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-19-49527' title='Krishnamurti, &lt;em&gt;Notizbuch&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>19<\/sup><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Vision of Deepened Concepts<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>As if from a distance, inwardly and outwardly connected with the vision of the Beloved, Krishnamurti&#8217;s consciousness seems to be approached by something that marks the transition from a state of relative death and new beginnings from &#8220;before&#8221;, to a death of total nothingness and real creation and love &#8220;at this time&#8221;<span id='easy-footnote-20-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-20-49527' title='Krishnamurti, &lt;em&gt;Notizbuch&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>20<\/sup><\/a><\/span>\u2014whereby \u201cbehind\u201d creation in the depths of the cosmos &#8220;beyond all the human efforts&#8221; lies a blessedly happy order.<span id='easy-footnote-21-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-21-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>21<\/sup><\/a><\/span> If we consider in all this the living nature of the \u201cnot-a-thing\u201d in Krishnamurti as set out above, it becomes clear that in \u201cdeath\u201d, \u201cnothing\u201d, \u201ccreation\u201d, \u201corder\u2019 etc., there is a living essence at work from Krishnamurti&#8217;s perspective. The insight gained from this, beyond the familiar world of the material, is expressed in his very words. On the one hand, real creation, through complete death, &#8220;now&#8221;, after &#8220;millions of years&#8221; of chaos,<span id='easy-footnote-22-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-22-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>22<\/sup><\/a><\/span> is initially felt in Krishnamurti&#8217;s own consciousness as a new possibility.<span id='easy-footnote-23-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-23-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>23<\/sup><\/a><\/span> On the other hand, what is felt in this way is connected with spiritual and physical nature outside, where creation out of death would ultimately have to be sought.<span id='easy-footnote-24-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-24-49527' title='Krishnamurti, &lt;em&gt;Notizbuch&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>24<\/sup><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In other words, complete death, love, and real creation in Krishnamurti are, according to his principle that the individual is the world,<span id='easy-footnote-25-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-25-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>25<\/sup><\/a><\/span> additionally also to be found in the world. And with this\u2014albeit only in a way completely oblivious of history, subliminally and indirectly\u2014Krishnamurti hints that, unlike in nature in the past (with the God of color clouds and love, perceived as alive, who is his Beloved, his teacher),<span id='easy-footnote-26-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-26-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>26<\/sup><\/a><\/span> absolute death as an intrinsic event has once and for all truly initiated new creation and life. The context resembles Paul&#8217;s succinct words referring to Golgotha: &#8220;Death has been swallowed up in victory.&#8221; (1 Corinthians 15:54) Is Krishnamurti implicitly suggesting here how the earthly-cosmic act of Christ can be conceptualized? According to Steiner, teaching this would indeed have been a task of the Maitreya Bodhisattva (CW 123).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Awakening and the Christian Path<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Although he was born a Brahman Hindu <span id='easy-footnote-27-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-27-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>27<\/sup><\/a><\/span>, Krishnamurti&#8217;s life seems to have been similar in many respects to the inner and outer content of the stations of the Christian path of initiation set out by Steiner (CW 99): the washing of the feet (with the vision of the bowing down of &#8220;the higher self towards the lower self&#8221;; CW 199) as well as the &#8220;extraordinarily beautiful, highly cultivated&#8221; face that Krishnamurti suddenly saw next to him as a real higher being, which appeared as if the &#8220;body [were] purified [by it]&#8221; and which would one day &#8220;become his face&#8221;<span id='easy-footnote-28-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-28-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>28<\/sup><\/a><\/span>; the scourging (enduring blows in life, the early death of his brother, his frailty and at times inexplicable, extreme sensitivity and all-over body pain <span id='easy-footnote-29-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-29-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>29<\/sup><\/a><\/span>); the crown of thorns (courage of faith?)\u2014Krishnamurti&#8217;s mysterious purification headache. <span id='easy-footnote-30-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-30-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>30<\/sup><\/a><\/span> These first stations each emerged from Krishnamurti&#8217;s intense meditation. Then: the crucifixion (freedom from the body?)\u2014it seems Krishnamurti, with his out-of-body experiences,<span id='easy-footnote-31-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-31-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>31<\/sup><\/a><\/span> experienced his body like a house that he could leave and move into again; the mystical death (experience of oneness?)\u2014Krishnamurti tells firmly of how, in a mystical moment, he is so fused with all life around him that he is this life itself;<span id='easy-footnote-32-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-32-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>32<\/sup><\/a><\/span> the burial (witnessing?)\u2014Krishnamurti tells of how a vision awakened in him, &#8220;a comprehensive understanding&#8221; of &#8220;all the trees, all the mountains, all the lakes, every smallest insect&#8221;;<span id='easy-footnote-33-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-33-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>33<\/sup><\/a><\/span> and the ascension?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The last can no longer be comprehended externally, with ordinary thinking. Somehow it resonates in Krishnamurti&#8217;s &#8220;infinity&#8221; beyond the mind, and in the &#8220;not-a-thing&#8221; that he perceived as a power and grasped in its otherworldly &#8220;quality of being.&#8221;<span id='easy-footnote-34-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-34-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>34<\/sup><\/a><\/span> It seems akin to Krishnamurti&#8217;s &#8220;nothing&#8221; that &#8220;contains [everything]&#8221;, where beyond the &#8220;limitations of [ordinary] thinking [\u2026] there [is] still more. Much more.&#8221;<span id='easy-footnote-35-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-35-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>35<\/sup><\/a><\/span> And where there is a &#8220;door that [\u2026] must be opened&#8221;, where &#8220;a holy spirit [is] waiting [\u2026] for you to open the door&#8221;<span id='easy-footnote-36-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-36-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>36<\/sup><\/a><\/span>, and in relation to which an &#8220;indescribable [\u2026] boundless energy&#8221; was also perceived in Krishnamurti externally.<span id='easy-footnote-37-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-37-49527' title='Jayakar, &lt;em&gt;Krishnamurti&lt;\/em&gt;.'><sup>37<\/sup><\/a><\/span> So was he Maitreya after all?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Krishnamurti, as one of the most outstanding minds of modern times,<span id='easy-footnote-38-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-38-49527' title='With worldwide recognition, see e.g.\u00a0&lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/jkrishnamurti.org\/quotes&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;\u201dQuotes about J. Krishnamurti\u201d&lt;\/a&gt; in J Krishnamurti., Website, retrieved August 22, 2022.'><sup>38<\/sup><\/a><\/span> may have been grasped by the Christ-being in his own way. But whether he was Maitreya and able to introduce others to the encounter with Christ is another matter. Did he possibly lack conscious access to this? Or did the continued materialism of humanity that placed an obstacle in the way of seeing the etheric make his task more difficult? (CW 118) Did Krishnamurti ultimately fail because, being proclaimed as a world teacher at an early age, his soul nature suffered from the necessity to fight against false pride, forgetting his deepest mission as a result?<span id='easy-footnote-39-49527' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/#easy-footnote-bottom-39-49527' title='See\u00a0&lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/glorian.org\/books\/sexology-the-basis-of-endocrinology-and-criminology\/the-krishnamurti-case&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noreferrer noopener&quot;&gt;Samael Aun Weor, &lt;em&gt;Sexology, the Basis of Endocrinology and Criminology&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/a&gt;, 1959, \u201cThe Krishnamurti Case\u201d in &lt;em&gt;Glorian&lt;\/em&gt;. Website,\u00a0retrieved August 22, 2022.'><sup>39<\/sup><\/a><\/span> It may be that the concrete guidance of human beings towards the etheric Christ by Maitreya, as foretold by Rudolf Steiner, is present in outline in Krishnamurti in narrative form, but a conceptual approach can only be sought with great difficulty, if at all, like a needle in a haystack of his illustrious teachings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>Many of these footnotes come from German texts. Should you wish to look them up, the correct page numbers can be found in the <a href=\"https:\/\/dasgoetheanum.com\/en\/krishnamurtis-view-of-the-worlds-primordial-ground\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">German edition of this article<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Translation<\/strong> Christian von Arnim<br><strong>Title image <\/strong>Jiddu Krishnamurti, Photo: Hamid\/Krishnamurti Foundations<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Anthroposophists have always heard that the Indian philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti (1895\u20131986) was not the incarnation of the Maitreya Bodhisattva of the twentieth century foretold by Rudolf Steiner, the future Buddha, because Steiner dismissed Krishnamurti as such. Was it otherwise? There are many candidates for Maitreya, but there has never been a clear-cut choice. 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